I’m not sure how you’re able to determine how much I really care or not, but I assure you this 5 minute write-up isn’t that important enough for me to actually care about it. *insert your reply that since I replied to that, then I really must care for certain*
What dynamic is it skewing? How does this dramatically change the dynamic and sustain of pk? Short answer: it doesn’t. You’re using the words skew and sustain in entirely wrong contexts here that make me think you’re likely just posting to disagree, which is okay.
Justice
Someone Make A Good Argument
I’m changing this thread name so that hopefully someone makes an actual argument outside of something lazy like saying I’m dumb. Maybe an argument that isn’t centered about how xxx change benefits only me. Hint: anything that benefits you benefits me and vice versa.
Steak too juicy, lobster too buttery, yada yada
Steak too juicy, lobster too buttery, yada yada
Re: Justice
Nothing really to argue here. It's a very simple post to disagree with. All the points you made were terrible.Rig wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2026 9:04 pmI’m not sure how you’re able to determine how much I really care or not, but I assure you this 5 minute write-up isn’t that important enough for me to actually care about it. *insert your reply that since I replied to that, then I really must care for certain*
What dynamic is it skewing? How does this dramatically change the dynamic and sustain of pk? Short answer: it doesn’t. You’re using the words skew and sustain in entirely wrong contexts here that make me think you’re likely just posting to disagree, which is okay.
Re: Justice
Saying everything is terrible without explaining anything doesn’t really add much. Which part of the OB/PB or combo reasoning do you actually disagree with? What part about the balance don’t you agree with? If it’s simple, it should be easy to easily explain why.
Re: Justice
I think we need a new weapon for Rig. Base lamans. Plus 20 ob. Double damage to everyone. Quadruple to Mephistopheles. With attack. Can Charge
No take.
No take.
Re: Justice
I hope Justice stays abs. We need turn-over of these sort of weapons. We need sacrifice. The game would be better served to have more people in abs and fewer people in combo.
I don't actually think combo or combo weapons are balanced. I asked the Imms why gold armor seemed too good in regards to its abs/parry and my memory of their answer was - "its special". That doesn't sound balanced. That sounds like a finger on the scale. Gold gear might have been special when it loaded on Replicating Maiden. You can literally find it on Forest Brigand Leader now. Everyone starts wearing gold combo and I thought "well this is terrible, but at least the DB is low", but then jade rings and MC cape had to be reimagined to add more DB back to the mix. Gold armor shouldn't plot better than expected as a ratio of parry and abs against other gear - it should be worse. All combo builds are essentially bashable by everything - if you're going to be bashed at the maximum percent you simply maximize absorption and parry. This is a gentle exploitation of the bash formula - trading DB for parry/absorption without actually giving anything up because of the bash ratio is capped. Increasing the weapon weight of a trolls axe still leaves them bashing 60%.
Everyone in this game wants to be the invincible perfect flees defensive blademaster. What happened to the American Dream? It came true.
One of the problems with the game is that players in general will never argue or fight with getting things that are better and better. No one argued with being given enormous free practices through the old clan practice system. People first got a little bit of something free. Then a lot. Then people were getting to pick and suddenly you had MCs/FCs with like free 77% dodge or something like that. No one argued with Dha'vol getting rats/ravens/crows. No Lancer argues with getting a damage bonus. Players always want more because they think someone else is getting more.
I'm squarely part of people. Everyone in this thread remembers that Rig asked for Justice to be 2 handed. What you might not remember is he also asked for silver sword to be upped and it just happened. The stats were non-sense - didn't make sense based on any other 1 handed weapon. Produced a big surge in silver sword use. The bash formula was already known at the time. I actually sent an Imm a comparison of how silly it was. Course I didn't bother pointing out that bone club was also ridiculous at that moment. These sort of changes need to be part of a systemic process. And even then I think they can still be broken because I think the most recent weapon change was broken. A lot of 1 handed weapons to me appear internally consistent - if you look weapon to weapon and class to class things have the appearance of being reasonable. But I really do not believe even with some of the favorable abs weapons changes that the power of how coding favors defensive builds was factored in. There are a lot of 1 handed weapons that are just amazing compared to the history of what 1 handed weapons looked like. If you asked me - 2 handed at 8d5 or 1 handed at 7d5 - one of those people has to be bashed to be hit. I just don't buy it. I don't believe in 1 handed claymores.
Someone out there can argue this one better than me but here goes. The best way to change how a weapon bashes is to modify its weight. That has the fewest complications because it only changes one thing. Instead - we adjusted parry to help absers but the end result was that comboers were the true beneficiary. And then we couldn't hit them so we had to up OB. And then upping OB changes more things. And then we need more and stronger mobs to hit people.
But none of this really matters because the original question is - should Justice be combo and the answer is no.
I don't actually think combo or combo weapons are balanced. I asked the Imms why gold armor seemed too good in regards to its abs/parry and my memory of their answer was - "its special". That doesn't sound balanced. That sounds like a finger on the scale. Gold gear might have been special when it loaded on Replicating Maiden. You can literally find it on Forest Brigand Leader now. Everyone starts wearing gold combo and I thought "well this is terrible, but at least the DB is low", but then jade rings and MC cape had to be reimagined to add more DB back to the mix. Gold armor shouldn't plot better than expected as a ratio of parry and abs against other gear - it should be worse. All combo builds are essentially bashable by everything - if you're going to be bashed at the maximum percent you simply maximize absorption and parry. This is a gentle exploitation of the bash formula - trading DB for parry/absorption without actually giving anything up because of the bash ratio is capped. Increasing the weapon weight of a trolls axe still leaves them bashing 60%.
Everyone in this game wants to be the invincible perfect flees defensive blademaster. What happened to the American Dream? It came true.
One of the problems with the game is that players in general will never argue or fight with getting things that are better and better. No one argued with being given enormous free practices through the old clan practice system. People first got a little bit of something free. Then a lot. Then people were getting to pick and suddenly you had MCs/FCs with like free 77% dodge or something like that. No one argued with Dha'vol getting rats/ravens/crows. No Lancer argues with getting a damage bonus. Players always want more because they think someone else is getting more.
I'm squarely part of people. Everyone in this thread remembers that Rig asked for Justice to be 2 handed. What you might not remember is he also asked for silver sword to be upped and it just happened. The stats were non-sense - didn't make sense based on any other 1 handed weapon. Produced a big surge in silver sword use. The bash formula was already known at the time. I actually sent an Imm a comparison of how silly it was. Course I didn't bother pointing out that bone club was also ridiculous at that moment. These sort of changes need to be part of a systemic process. And even then I think they can still be broken because I think the most recent weapon change was broken. A lot of 1 handed weapons to me appear internally consistent - if you look weapon to weapon and class to class things have the appearance of being reasonable. But I really do not believe even with some of the favorable abs weapons changes that the power of how coding favors defensive builds was factored in. There are a lot of 1 handed weapons that are just amazing compared to the history of what 1 handed weapons looked like. If you asked me - 2 handed at 8d5 or 1 handed at 7d5 - one of those people has to be bashed to be hit. I just don't buy it. I don't believe in 1 handed claymores.
Someone out there can argue this one better than me but here goes. The best way to change how a weapon bashes is to modify its weight. That has the fewest complications because it only changes one thing. Instead - we adjusted parry to help absers but the end result was that comboers were the true beneficiary. And then we couldn't hit them so we had to up OB. And then upping OB changes more things. And then we need more and stronger mobs to hit people.
But none of this really matters because the original question is - should Justice be combo and the answer is no.